I'm having a difficult time determining if a certain math problem should be classified as using Formal or Informal Logic. Here it is: 1. ALL except 2 of my pets are dogs. 2. ALL except 2 of my pets are cats. 3. ALL except 2 of my pets are birds. Q: How many pets do I own? A: 2 or 3 So, while it's obvious why the answer could be 3, it's not obvious how it could be 2 as well. The reason why is because the phrase "All" could be zero, which would represent an empty set. And, of course, I could own pets other than the ones mentioned (fish / lizards). So, knowing that, we can substitute that example back into the original problem as follows: I own two, pets, which are both fish. All except 2 of my pets are dogs, which in this case, is equal to zero. So, the set of dogs can possibly be an empty set. So, anyways, I was wanting to know if the puzzle itself could be considered "formal", or is it informal because most people would mean "All" to at least equal one, and we add that assumption in there?

I interpret you as asking this: Why do we find it puzzling or counterintuitive that statements 1–3 are true in the case in which you own exactly two pets, neither of which is a dog, a cat, or a bird? Is it because we assume that "all" implies "at least one"? Those are empirical, psychological questions whose answers I don't know. But I do think it's worth distinguishing between what "all" logically implies and what "all" conversationally implies. (You might have a look at the SEP entry on implicature .) On the one hand, the statement "All intelligent extraterrestrials are extraterrestrials" had better be true, and its truth had better not depend on the existence of intelligent extraterrestrials. So I think there's good reason to deny that "all" logically implies "at least one." On the other hand, someone who owns no dogs and who says "All my dogs have their shots" has said something odd or misleading, even if true. So I think there's good reason to say that, at least sometimes, "all"...

On April 10, 2014, in response to a question, Stephen Maitzen wrote: "I can't see how there could be any law more fundamental than the law of non-contradiction (LNC)." I thought that there were entire logical systems developed in which the law of non-contradiction was assumed not to be valid, and it also seems like "real life" suggests that the law of non-contradiction does not necessarily apply to physical systems. Perhaps I am not understanding the law correctly? Is it that at most one of these statements is true? Either "P is true" or "P is not true"? or is it that at most one of theses statements is true? Either "P is true" or "~P is true"? In physics, if you take filters that polarize light, and place two at right angles to each other, no light gets through. Yet if you take a third filter at a 45 degree angle to the first two, and insert it between the two existing filters, then some light gets through. Based on this experiment, it seems like the law of non-contradiction cannot be true in...

Because the present questioner refers to my reply to Question 5536 , I'll chime in here to clarify what I said there. My point was about the fundamentality of LNC. I wrote, "I can't see how there could be any law more fundamental than the law of non-contradiction (LNC)." I gave the following reason: "Let F be any such law. If the claim 'F is more fundamental than LNC' is meaningful (and it may not be), then it conflicts with the claim 'F isn't more fundamental than LNC' -- but that reasoning, of course, depends on LNC. " So that's why no law could be more fundamental than LNC, because LNC would need to be true before (in the sense of logical priority) the claim that some other law is more fundamental would even make sense. If someone can make sense of the claim that some law is more fundamental than LNC, I'm all ears.

What's the difference between understanding an opponent's argument, and agreeing with it? What prevents me from saying that if my opponent disagrees with my argument, he must misunderstand it?

Nothing prevents you from saying that, but then nothing prevents you from being wrong when you say it. If your argument is deductive, you might make progress by asking your opponent which (if any) premise in your argument he/she finds implausible and which (if any) inference in your argument he/she finds invalid. If your opponent rejects your conclusion, try finding out why he/she doesn't regard your argument as persuasive support for your conclusion.

Is it possible for two tautologies to not be logically equivalent?

I thank William Rapaport for his comment. I'll just point out that the claim two sentences (or propositions) are logically equivalent if and only if they have the same truth values (no matter what truth values their atomic constituents, if any, have) seems to imply the following odd consequence. Take two sentences lacking atomic sentential constituents: "Snow is white" and "Obama was born in Hawaii." Both sentences are true (sorry, birthers), but isn't it odd to hold that the two sentences are logically equivalent ? Granted, they're materially equivalent, but that's just a technical way of saying that they in fact have the same truth-value. Something stronger seems required for genuine logical equivalence, which is why I prefer the definition I gave above. Fortunately, some standard textbooks do define it in that stronger way.

I'm inclined to say that no tautologies are ever logically equivalent, but only because no sentences are ever logically equivalent. I take it that any tautology is a sentence in some language, as opposed to the proposition expressed by that sentence. Indeed, the etymology of the term implies that a tautology is a sentence characterized by the repetition of words: Greek tauto ("the same") + logos ("word"). An example is the English sentence "All red things are red." Unlike sentences, propositions don't contain words, so tautologies can't be propositions, strictly speaking. I interpret "logically equivalent" to mean "matching in truth-value at every possible world." Two things match in truth-value at every possible world only if both things exist at every possible world. But no sentence -- no item of any language -- exists at every possible world, because the very language of the sentence might never have existed: all language is contingent. Therefore, no two sentences are ever...

What is the difference between a conclusion that is "necessarily true, but not false" vs. "necessarily false, but not true"? They seem the same to me or is the answer based on probability? In the same light, what is the difference between "probably not necessarily false" and "probably but not necessarily true"? Thank you, Joe

Hello, Joe. Except for the difference in truth-values, I see no interesting difference between your first two descriptions. "Necessarily true, but not false" is a redundant description, because any proposition that's necessarily true is ipso facto not false and in fact couldn't have been false (indeed, that's what "necessarily true" means in this context). The second description is also redundant, because any necessarily false proposition is ipso facto not true and couldn't have been true. As far as I can see, probability has nothing to do with those two descriptions. In these cases, the word "necessarily" is being used in what's often called a modal sense. The second pair of descriptions does concern probability. Any proposition that's "probably but not necessarily false" is more likely than not false but not certain to be false: the proposition has a probability greater than 0 but less than 0.5, on a scale of 0 to 1. Any proposition that's "probably but not necessarily...

Have Zeno's paradoxes of motion actually been satisfactorily solved? Physicists and mathematicians I've read on the matter seem to regard them as no longer important, but never explain convincingly (for my money) why they're not still important. Have philosophers said anything interesting about them recently? Could you either succinctly explain how they've been solved or point me in the direction of good recent discussions?

I recommend starting with the SEP entry on the topic, available here . There's an article not cited by the entry that may be relevant because it takes a skeptical view of the standardly accepted solution to one of the paradoxes: "Zeno's Metrical Paradox Revisited," by David M. Sherry, Philosophy of Science 55 (1988), 58-73. Sherry argues that the standardly accepted solution "defuses" the paradox but is too ad hoc to count as a "refutation" of Zeno's reasoning.

In paradoxes such as the Epimenides 'liar' example, is it not sufficient to say that all such sentences are inherently contradictory and therefore without meaning? Like Chomsky's 'the green river sleeps furiously', it's a sentence, to be sure, but that's all it is. Thanks in advance :)

Thank you for the argument for that claim, but your reasons for it do not particularly interest me. Wow. How very philosophical. We philosophers aren't interested in each other's reasons, after all. Now, am I supposed to be interested in the reasons you're giving for your claims? I've given a numbered-step argument for a claim about S, in particular, that you've been denying, viz. (32). You've responded by referring me to work that you say bears on a sentence that you say is "like" S. I'm not asking you to take my say-so. If (32) is false, then there's a mistake in my (1)-(8) or (24)-(32). Surely a professional logician can tell us what it is. You, Richard, claim to have established something by your (24)-(28), but your (24) and (25) both lack justification: (24) If (V) is a sentence-type, then no token of (V) expresses a proposition. (No token of a meaningless sentence expresses a proposition.) The justification you provide simply doesn't justify (24). You haven't...

Paracomplete theories, which are perhaps the most popular these days (though I do not myself incline to them) would reject (2), (10), and (16). There are many other choice points as well. Yeah, yeah. There are also theories that (claim to) reject (7), (13), and (22). Are we to think that those moves are even remotely plausible? Maybe they're plausible and not plausible, or neither? Perhaps you mean something like... No, I mean exactly this: (S) Either S is meaningless, or else S is false. (24) S is meaningless. [Repetition of (8), already established] (25) Either S is meaningless, or else S is false. [From (24) by disjunction introduction] (26) If S is a sentence-type, then S is a meaningful sentence-type or S is a meaningless sentence-type. [If P, then (P & Q) or (P & not Q).] (27) If S is a meaningful sentence-type, then (f) the token of it labeled "S" above is meaningful. (28) Not (f). [From (24)] (29) If S is a sentence-type, then S is a meaningless sentence-type. [From...

Okay, I'll defend my main claims in detail. Following Charles Parsons, you offered the following Strengthened Liar sentence: (S) Either S is meaningless, or else S is false. I claimed, and still claim, that S is meaningless. Reasoning: (1) If S is meaningful, then (a) S expresses the proposition that: Either S is meaningless or else S is false. [What else could S express if it were meaningful?] (2) If (a), then (b) S is true or S is false. [Bivalence for propositions] (3) If S is meaningful, then (b). [From (1), (2)] (4) If S is true, then S is true and not true. [Strengthened Liar reasoning] (5) If S is false, then S is true and not true. [Strengthened Liar reasoning] (6) If (b), then S is true and not true. [From (4), (5)] (7) Not (b). [From (6) by contradiction] (8) S is meaningless (i.e., not meaningful). [From (3), (7)] Before you say that (8) commits me to S by disjunction introduction, recall that I distinguish tokens from types. What (8) commits me to is the meaningful and...

Yes, those were my words. But the argument I was attributing to you...was NOT supposed to be: If (S) is meaningless, then "(S) is false" is meaningless. Then you can see why I was misled by what you actually wrote. In any case, the argument you say you meant to attribute to me contains a premise I deny, namely, that the first disjunct in (S) is "clearly meaningful." I've been claiming that (S) is meaningless, and I deny that any part of (S) says that (S) is meaningless, just as I deny that the sentence "This sentence is meaningless" (or any part of it) says of itself that it's meaningless. I understand that you wish to resist the claim that the conjunction of those two things (which happens to be (T) itself) ... You know I deny the claim in parentheses. Every conjunction has truth-conditions, but (T) has no truth-conditions. Neither do "dog" and "cat," and we don't produce a conjunction by writing an ampersand between those two inscriptions. The answer cannot just be, "Well,...

This is turning out to be an easy way of upping our response-counts! Surely I can name that sentence (S) if I so choose? I wouldn't say "surely." (After all, in bygone days we thought "Surely there's a set corresponding to any well-defined predicate we choose.") It may turn out that in this case, on pain of contradiction, the name attaches only to the token and not to the type. ...if you allow that "(S) is false" is false if (S) is meaningless... I trust that you too allow it -- indeed, that you insist on it. ...then it is hard to see why one would ever regard (S) as meaningless: It is a disjunction of meaningful disjuncts. Here you're simply repeating the claim I've been denying. (Furthermore, I don't see what how the antecedent of your conditional supports the consequent.) That, not the reasoning you took me to be attributing to you, is why I was assuming you would deny that "(S) is false" is meaningful. The reasoning I took you to be attributing to me is the...

Thanks, Richard, for your replies. Nice colloquy we're having. I hope anyone else is interested! Is there or is there not a sentence that is the disjunction of (S') and the sentence "(S) is false"? There is, and we can token it, but not by way of the sentence-token that you labeled "(S)" in your example. That's been my point all along: two type-identical sentence-tokens can be such that one is meaningful and the other isn't. The context in which a sentence-token is uttered can deprive it of propositional content. I say that's not surprising given other things we know about language. It won't do to respond "But I'm talking only about the syntax !" because you can't generate a liar paradox without assuming things about the truth-conditions of particular strings of words. Presumably you would also regard the sentence "(S) is false" as itself meaningless, on the ground that (S) is ... Goodness, no! That would be terrible reasoning. To say of a meaningless sentence-token that it's...

Me too, but that was my point: Despite appearances, (S'), which I endorse, isn't the first disjunct in (S). Similarly, despite appearances, the Epimenides sentence doesn't assert of itself that it's false. It follows that the meaningfulness of a sentence-token depends on more than the string of words it contains, but that result isn't surprising in light of other things we know about language.

PLEASE NOTE: Professor Maitzen's responses here and below were originally offered in colloquy with Professor Heck, who has since chosen to remove his contributions. [Alexander George on 6/6/2014.] But then it is a simple step of disjunction introduction to (S) itself. This simple step works only if (S) is the disjunction of (S') and "(S) is false," each of which disjuncts is meaningful. But if (S) is meaningless, then (S) isn't the disjunction of two meaningful disjuncts, and in particular it's not the disjunction of (S') and "(S) is false." I agree that this response to the Strengthened Liar implies that the meaningfulness of a sentence-token won't always be facially obvious. That implication seems less dire than the implications of some other responses.

I think you're right to suspect that the Liar (or Epimenides) sentence, "This sentence is false," is meaningless, i.e., that the sentence fails to express a proposition. But I wouldn't say that the sentence is meaningless because it's self-contradictory, like the sentence "God exists and doesn't exist." The latter sentence is surely false , in which case the sentence expresses a (false) proposition and hence isn't meaningless. If the Liar sentence is meaningless, then it doesn't assert of itself that it's false (because it doesn't assert anything), and therefore one of the premises used to generate the Liar paradox is false. Some philosophers have said that the Strengthened Liar sentence, "This sentence is not true," blocks such a solution to the paradox, on the grounds that a meaningless sentence is not true . The proper reply, I think, is to agree that a meaningless sentence is not true but to deny that the Strengthened Liar sentence asserts of itself that it's not true (again, on the...

How important is the study of logic in philosophy, independent of any one particular philosopher or school of philosophy? Is 'logic' considered a 'neutral' subject about which 'everyone' agrees? or are there some contentious issues about what 'kind' of 'logic' applies in different kinds of situations?

I'd answer your three questions as follows. (1) Very important. (2) No: There are lively disagreements in logic concerning particular issues, and there may be few if any issues in logic on which everyone agrees. (3) Some philosophers say that different situations call for different kinds of logic. For what it's worth, I disagree: I'm not persuaded that there are any situations to which standard (or "classical") logic doesn't apply.

On what grounds are the three classic laws of thought rendered 'true'? Is there a more fundamental law which enables us to see the law of identity, the law of excluded middle and the law of non-contradiction as true? If not, how can we claim that they are anything more than guidelines for thought?

The last two of your three questions suggest this: We can't properly regard some law P as true (rather than merely as a guideline for thought) unless there's some more fundamental law Q that enables us to see that P is true. But presumably Q must also be something we properly regard as true, in which case your suggestion implies an infinite regress: there must be some more fundamental law R that enables us to see that Q is true. Likewise for R, and so on. This infinite regress may be a good reason to reject your suggestion. Why must our properly regarding P as true depend on there being some more fundamental law? In any case, I can't see how there could be any law more fundamental than the law of non-contradiction (LNC). Let F be any such law. If the claim "F is more fundamental than LNC " is meaningful (and it may not be), then it conflicts with the claim "F isn't more fundamental than LNC " -- but that reasoning, of course, depends on LNC.

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