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In the beginning of <i>The Republic</i>, Socrates demonstrates to Thrasymachus, I think, that his theory of justice, i.e., "do good to one's friends and evil to one's enemies", is false because it may be that one has evil friends and good enemies, or be mistaken about in fact who is our friend and who is our enemy. I wonder, though, about this: We are faced with three potential questions. One possible question is "who are our true friends and our true enemies?". Another possible question is "are our true friends good and our true enemies evil?". A third possible question is "what is justice, considered apart from irrelevancies like our friends?". It seems to me that we are much more likely to be right in our judgments about the first two questions than we are in our third. We might be wrong in all three, of course, but if asked to either 1) accurately identify one's friends and evaluate their worthiness or 2) create a theory of justice, I would suggest that the vast majority of people (perhaps why we are not 'golds') would be more accurate more often handling #1 than #2. What am I missing?
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October 10, 2005

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Peter Lipton
November 1, 2005 (changed November 1, 2005) Permalink

I'm no Plato expert, but I think the main issue here is not how we judge or know what is just, but rather what justice is. If it is not just to do good to an evil friend, this shows that justice isn't the same as doing good to a friend. And it shows this no matter how easy it is for us to identify our friends and to judge their worth.

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Nicholas D. Smith
November 4, 2005 (changed November 4, 2005) Permalink

I think the passage you have in mind in one in which Socrates refutes Polemarchus, not Thrasymachus. But at any rate, I guess I don't share your confidence in our ability to judge the first and second questions much more accurately than we can the third. Of course, if we mean by "friend" simply "someone for whom we feel a certain kind of affection" then figuring out who our friends are will require only that we accurately recognize our own feelings of affection. But if the real answer to the first question naturally takes us to the second, I don't see why judgments of good and evil are going to be easier to answer than questions about what justice is.

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